My Lusby
February 13, 2009 · Print This Article
Do you remember the first time you threw a blanket over a card table or clothes line and crawled inside? That supremely satisfied feeling of being in your own small space? That’s how I feel in my Tumbleweed house. It’s especially true whenever I climb up into the sleeping loft and peer down at the cozy space below. I had a small house before this one – less than a thousand square feet – but there were rooms I seldom entered. It seemed that the dog and cats and I spent most of our time together in the kitchen, the bedroom, or the living room. Now we must share a smaller space, which, of course, has meant that we’ve all had to make some adjustments.
Both cats have finally learned to climb the ladder. I’m working on a shelving scheme that will allow them to move up and down without the ladder, so I don’t have to play elevator or move the ladder when I’m at home. Rosebud, my standard poodle, is very patient at taking indoor traffic direction from me, but he sometimes prefers to stay outside, supervising activities in the RV park. I’m always surprised when he tries a new spot for snoozing or cat and dog share a space – new behaviors for them!
Everything has a place and needs to be in that place. My stainless steel cookware is a decorative accent over one of the windows and cloth covered boxes keep my personal items at hand but out of sight. No letting my mail pile up for days before dealing with it. Dishes get done at the end of the meal. But I can spend a good hour and the house is spic and span, while in my bigger house, an hour would’ve barely made a dent!
Even in this small house, I still can sit in the living room, curl up with a book on the bench in the office, sit on the porch steps for some sun, or climb upstairs for a nap. I feel like Goldilocks who found a space that is just right!
Oh, WOW! Thanks Cathy for these new pics! They are AWESOME…love it and your story!
p.s. How’s them new utility bills?
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Cathleen Witt reply on February 14th, 2009 5:34 am:
Well… December electric bill came in a $4.40. Quite a bit more than November, but we did have a cold December for this region. Of course, that’s just a straight usage bill, I don’t have to pay the basic charge that most home owners must pay each in addition to usage.
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Donna F. reply on February 14th, 2009 5:42 am:
SWEET!! Thanks so much! Your home is lovely and efficient!
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Love it! It’s nice to see the inside of a lived in Tumbleweed. They look adorable in the pictures but I always wondered how cool they would be to decorate. Good job and thanks.
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Kathy, thanks so much for sharing your home with us!
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Thanks for sharing Cathy! Could this product (http://katwallks.com/) alleviate the cat/ladder/loft issue. Our cats absolutely love them.
Do you have any advice on how to find a place to park a tiny house in Oregon? Are most RV parks up there welcoming of the tumbleweed model of RV living?
Cheers,
Logan.
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Cathleen Witt reply on February 14th, 2009 5:40 am:
Thanks for the cat info, I will check it out. As far as parks, go, I think it’s hit and miss. Many parks have insurance issues that only let them take RV’s of a certain age, but Tumbleweeds are so unusual that you would probably need to inquire directly with each park to find out whether they could take one. I landed in a terrific place – Riverside RV Resort, right off the bat and really didn’t have to look around much.
Good luck!
Cathy
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Scott reply on February 14th, 2009 8:17 pm:
My wife and I are in the process of building our tiny house and plan to have running water. Do you have water, and if yes how have you prevented freezing pipes? Thanks
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Cathleen Witt reply on February 16th, 2009 5:10 am:
I have a standard RV water hook up. As to the freezing, I couldn’t say – we haven’t had freezing weather here. Perhaps Jay could answer that one.
Scott reply on February 17th, 2009 12:47 am:
Unfortunately Jay has not been able to help or give us the name of anyone who has running water in very cold climates. Our tiny home will be near Chicago. We’re still researching.
tree servant reply on February 17th, 2009 7:30 am:
Hi! I live in a climate that sees some cold winters . . . right now, in a 5th wheel trailer. what you need is a cord called “heat tape” that you wrap around the water pipe about 1 to 2 feet in the ground up to where the water pipe enters the house. Take measurements before you go to the store and be sure to allow for the fact that the heat tape is wrapped around the water hose in a spiral — not going straight up the hose. Then, you plug the heat tape into an outlet, either on the outside of your rig, or, you can cut a hole near the pipe through the floor (which is what worked best for me), and run the plug for the tape to the interior and plug it in. It draws very little watts and keeps your incoming water from freezing, just remember that you cannot let the interior of the house get to freezing! Next, while you are buying the heat tape, also get some 3 to 4 inch wide rolls of fiberglass batting–it is just for wrapping pipes, and comes with some plastic to also wrap in a spiral configuration around the outside of the heat tape, just follow the directions and look at the pictures. For a really secure and long lasting fix, I like to cover all of this with some Gorilla duct tape–several passes–leaving nothing prone to leaks, cold air or moisture. Finally, if you have an above ground water faucet, double cover it with two of those stryrofoam caps of two different sizes, one inside of the other. Stuff some styrofoam or fiberglass insulation under the smaller cap around the tap, then strap it all down real well with the Gorilla tape. I know this sounds like a lot of hassle, but I am through my fourth winter with this strategy, with no leaks, no freeze ups, no hassles, whereas, my neighbours who live in regular type houses with regular type plumbing routinely have frozen pipes and even broken pipes when the temps get down in the single digits.
By the way, you can build Jay’s tiny house, up to 20 feet in length for about 4,000 in wood, roofing, fasteners, metal counters, wood interior cabinatry, etc. The stove, appliances, plumbing, wiring, and so on, will run another 4 or 5,000. If it were me, I’d put in a sunmar dry composting camode, Sewage is the most miserable part of the trailer lifestyle. With a dry camode–no more sewer hose. That leaves just water and electric coming in, and grey water going out–which should not need to go into a septic system–vent it to a tree! I you were looking to be off the grid, build a water barn and collect rainwater into cisterns with a solar water pump–hence–no city or trailer park water connections. Finally, put in a small wind turbine and a solar electric system. The sunmar will run you about 1800.00. The water system about 3000.00 assuming a double sized carport for a collection roof, 2 1100 gallon tanks and a pump. The electrical system will cost you about 10,000.00 to 15,000.00. So, for roughly $25K to $30K you will have total self-sufficiency vis-a-vis you living space. I don’t get why a person wouldn’t either draw their own plans and do this and/or buy the plans and do this, rather than shelling out 42K for it. Doesn’t make sense. For that extra $12K that you have left over, you could buy a small piece of land outright, or, at least put a sizable downpayment on a bigger chunk . . .
Jay Shafer reply on February 21st, 2009 10:58 am:
I don’t, but almost all of the houses I’ve built for others do. See this heated hose… http://www.nofreezewaterhose.com/index.html
Kecia reply on February 17th, 2009 9:17 pm:
Will you be in Arizona any time soon? & how much was the home?
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Jay Shafer reply on February 22nd, 2009 4:52 am:
Sorry, no time too soon.
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Your home looks so cozy and comfortable!
Thanks for sharing. Its great to see a lived in space- a home where someone actually cooks and lives with pets.
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I’d love to hear about your neighborhood too — how do the other people in your RV park respond to your tiny house?
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Cathleen Witt reply on February 17th, 2009 4:06 am:
Folks here call it “the dollhouse”. They get a big kick out of it. Usually people are surprised at how big it feels inside.
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Imagine a community of a dozen or more of these homes, sort of like what a Bungalo Colony used to be like in upstate N.Y. years ago … With like minded folks coming together to live a simpler life.
Also reminds me of that story Gilda Radner use to read to her class “The Tiny Kingdom” where on their wedding night, the tiny Princess discovers that the tiny Prince has a tinnie, winnie, itsie-bitsie you know what. I miss her.
Anyway, hope you’ll consired checking out my web site as we all learn to embrace uncertainty together. Be strong. Pray constantly. Less is indeed more.
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Donna McLelland reply on February 13th, 2009 5:40 pm:
It would be really neat to have a lot of like minded folks coming together in a community of these homes today. Anyone know where we could do this?
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Jay Shafer reply on February 14th, 2009 5:18 pm:
I plan on building one out here north of San Francisco someday soon, but if anyone wants to do it anywhere else, I’d be happy to help with site plans.
I imagine parking hidden out back with 5-12 houses clustered around a central green with winding paths connecting them. A somewhat larger shared house with laundry facilities, etc. would be nice.
I see my friend Hillary at thistinyhouse.com is now starting a discussion about this topic.
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Victoria reply on February 15th, 2009 1:57 am:
Yes, I’ve been thinking along the same lines for some time, especially since I’ve realized that I cannot afford to buy into a regular cohousing community in Northern California. Jay, I attended your open house last weekend and thoroughly enjoyed the tour.
BTW, this spring I plan to participate in a program that will offer assistance in the permit process to establish legal greywater systems & composting toilets for homeowners in two counties in the SF bay area. One of the facilitators asked me which composting toilet I would want and I told her from my personal experience and research the simple sawdust toilet was the practical choice – I also mentioned that Tumbleweed House Company uses this type. I will send updates once the program starts. Wish us luck – these are ideas that need to be mainstreamed, along with the small house intentional village.
Jay Shafer reply on February 21st, 2009 11:02 am:
Thanks for your commitment and help, Victoria. Someone with common sense needs to get in there.
Shannon Rose reply on March 10th, 2009 4:34 am:
Oh man, I would SO love to live in a community like this! My 3 kids and I live on a bus now, have for a year so far, and love it BUT I really want one of your tiny houses!!!
Bill Rockhill (Bear Creek Carpentry) reply on March 11th, 2009 5:31 pm:
Jay
Just got around to start reading other blogs
I already own (2) pieces of property in the “Adirondacks”
one pc is 60 acres with 2000 feet of year round creek frontage
second pc is 8 acres on main state route great access
I already have approval from town for “multiple dwellings”
its cheap taxes,beautiful forests lakes mountains etc
i purchased the second with the intent on building 12 to 24 cabins
alas to come up with the finances to build a “village ” out of pocket
is tough in this environment but if i had some individual owners that would purchase the buildings and help offset initial infra structure ie septic, wells, public space ( office, laundry,pavillion and fire pit etc My dream was to have an initial village as a model to either rent out short or long term to responsible individuals that would maintain each cabin. My designs have individual heat ,electric and propane and some have woodstoves ( if desired) also avilable . i have my own heavy equiptment ( trackhoe,bobcats, dozer, dumdtruck) so we can do all our own sitework in house big savings.!!!!!! So if you are interested or any of your clients in creating ” shangrila” in the adirondack mtns
i think we could build this as a model with many models at one site and build villages rather then just individual structures.
As has been stated smaller is no longer a luxury its becoming a necesity.
Looking forward to any and all takers.
Thanks agian
Bill Rockhill
Jay Shafer reply on March 13th, 2009 10:21 pm:
When your super tiny powers meet mine, Bill, we shall conquer the world… with tinyness! ‘Only thing is, we’re just getting on our feet and far from flying over here in CA, our long term goal is to build a village, but it’s not in this year’s plan. That said, I’d love to help you in any way I can. I fancy myself a decent designer of communities of small houses. If you can integrate a few of my houses into your village, I’ll happily help out in any way I can.
Don’t give up on us. We want this too.
Bill Rockhill (Bear Creek Carpentry) reply on March 11th, 2009 5:47 pm:
Dear Jay
I own (2) pieces of land first being 60 acres withh 2000 ft year round creek front second being 8 acres state highway and great yearround access.
i bought the second with the intent of putting up 12 to 24 year round minicabins/tinyhouses . i now have the permissions. My intent was to build them out of pocket alas in this economic environment this would be difficult but if we had individual investors willing to buy their own ( Portable) homes and help with the infra structure ie: septic,wells,pavillion with fire pit office and laundry.it would be doable sooner rather then later. I also have my own heavy equiptment( trackhoe,bobcats,dozer and dumptruck ) so site work would be in house a tremendous savings.
If you and or a group of clients are interested let me know.
Smaller is no longer just a luxury its becoming a necesity.
interested in any and all takers.
Thanks
Bill Rockhill
Kecia reply on February 17th, 2009 9:19 pm:
In Arizona there is alot of space to put these tiny homes, especially in the white mountains (Gila County)
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Scott reply on February 18th, 2009 2:39 am:
Arizona would be great! Lots of land and lots of variety in climate:)
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Jay Shafer reply on February 14th, 2009 5:09 pm:
Imagine it? I can’t get the image out of my head. It will happen.
I miss Gilda, too.
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I’m starting the Tiny House Village Network if you’re interested just shoot me an email:
http://thistinyhouse.com/village/
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Jay Shafer reply on February 14th, 2009 5:20 pm:
Right on, Hillary! Let’s make this happen. It needs to happen.
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I have a standard poodle and always worry the she won’t have enough space in a small space. Would like to see pictures of Rosebud in the house. And can Rosebud make it into the loft?
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Cathleen Witt reply on February 17th, 2009 4:10 am:
Rosie does not do the loft, however, circus poodles climb ladders, so I’m guessing it’s feasible. The cats need their own space, so he stays downstairs. I miss having him nearby at night, but we’ve all had to make some adjustments.
He has the bench in the office and a chair in the main room to snooze in. We concentrate most of our activities outdoors and he really seems to enjoy managing the traffic in the RV park!
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They aren’t building starter houses anymore for the up and coming couple or family. Instead it’s these huge $400 + (starter) ego dwellings that are really flimsy crap. These homes are huge, the tiny little parcel of land is a joke and of course, the taxes, insurance and overhead is just an insult to 90% of the folks. I want to know why more new, quality affordable housing isn’t being produced? It’s a scam on the middle class and top it off with the predatory lending industry and you have the recipe for disaster this country is currently dealing with. Please if you agree, petition your local jurisdiction for new regulations to allow people to build small houses which can be moved if needed! The people need to stand and make their voices heard so we can have affordable shelter that is flexible, easy to maintain and heat and transportable. Everyone deserves to have a home.
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Jay Shafer reply on February 14th, 2009 5:26 pm:
Viva la tiny revolution!
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cathy, isn’t is expensive to stay in an rv park? do they have monthly rates? year round rates? i have heard of rv park costs that are way more expensive than i could afford, esp if you get the hookups…$50-$75/DAY!! logan mentioned oregon. i am interested in the oregon area too, primarily the southeastern part. thanks so much for sharing your new living experience
betsy
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Cathleen Witt reply on February 14th, 2009 6:11 am:
Most RV parks around here run $20-30 per day for full hook ups, but have monthly or longer rates. The rate you mentions sounds awfully high to me. I pay $340/month, but that includes water, garbage, sewer (which I had to pay for when I had my own property), and cable. The park I live in is lovely, and I have river access, laundry (coin), and other amenities as well which can vary from park to park. I also save the “base” charge that the electric company charges homeowners – around $30/month here. I like the community feeling of the park – it’s small, only 25 spaces and many of us live here year round.
Good luck!
Cathy
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betsy reply on February 15th, 2009 3:57 pm:
thanks cathy! i have since found a couple of parks that interested me in southern oregon at various rv websites. some have cabins to rent also so i could fly out and get a feel for things before i take any drastic dives. the rv parks i was referring to are in upstate ny resort areas and the adirondack park. they are not open all year so i suppose they have to make their money during the summers. i still have 4 years before i retire. i am sure alot will change by then. i work for the state of ny so until which time i can retire, i am stuck here, but i am starting early!!
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betsy reply on February 22nd, 2009 4:12 pm:
cathy, is it fairly quiet there? do you get any snow this time of year like northern california does sometimes? betsy
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Cathleen Witt reply on March 13th, 2009 3:48 am:
The south coast of Oregon seldom gets snow and when it does snow, it usually melts the same day. I live on a river and about a half mile from the ocean and we see little snow however, it can stick to the ground for a period up in the hills around us. The climate is mild, but wet – we average 70 inches of rain a year, but it’s not mostly gray like Seattle. Summers are dry. I think it’s one of the most beautiful places in the country!
Beverly reply on February 16th, 2009 7:09 pm:
The rv parks I’ve looked into in south western Canada charge $440-$650 per month. To me this is too much for the lack of ambiance, for the fact that they are not really open year round (in other words you are free to visit your place, but the laundry/shower/toilet facilities are locked and there is no-one else around). I don’t mind the solitude, but at the price, I expect some services. My tiny house on wheels is more of a shepherd’s hut, and as such has no water or septic hookups, so I need access to those facilities.
Beverly
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Always fascinating and so responsible to have just the RIGHT AMOUNT of space, as we’re a society used to bigger is better and more is right!
But what I don’t see yet and what I want to do is to build and help others build tiny houses with SIPs (Structural Insulated Panels). It makes for such an easy assembly, 77% less dimensional lumber than a stick built structure and high energy efficiency with a tighter building envelope, and better healthy air inside. A small house built with SIPs could easily be heated by body heat, appliances, sunlight and a candle even.
So my company is going to be building small houses (about 850-900 sq.ft.) on slabs for senior citizens in a ‘community nest’ environment…it means attainable, affordable, cozy, like minded residents, with high energy efficiency for our climate and to keep costs down for seniors on fixed incomes etc. Yet they will be cute Victorian styled, not ugly boxes. Priced at $149K here they will be $100K less than comparable and for independent seniors, it allows them independence and dignity within an enclave of similar residents with just enough space to easily maintain/clean, etc.
We’re building 2 bungalows now, 985 and 1,050 sq.ft. for first time home buyers that are priced $30K less than comparable stick built.
I would love to build a small sub-division of these homes, from tiny 200 sq.ft. to a bit larger (900 sq.ft. max) based on Jay’s plans and themes, with our SIPs and score a double whammy: just the right size and high energy efficiency with less wood consumed.
If small is smart, then it’s time to get even smarter!
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Laura Harris reply on February 15th, 2009 12:30 pm:
I am interested in following your progress with this dream. I am a long time Realtor in the Tampa area. I also have a Mobile Home Dealer license for the state of Florida.
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Jay Shafer reply on February 21st, 2009 10:52 am:
Sounds fantastic, Paul. Vernacular designs like mine are easily adapted to SIPs.
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Steve Kibbe reply on February 23rd, 2009 4:19 am:
Great minds must think alike Paul. I too have been interested in SIPs used for smaller (AFFORDABLE) dwellings. With all of the great advantages that SIPs have, they sound like the way to build quality with low costs. Building a community of small houses has been a dream of mine, but I find the cost of land is the limiting factor in my area of the central coast of CA. Land alone is almost more than land with a house on it. I’d think with the economy and housing problems we’re having, land prices would be coming down. While they are cheaper, they are in no way cheap! There may be some affordable land around, I just don’t know where to find it. Any real world ideas you have on how to find inexpensive land?
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i personally think that once we start dealing with contractors, consultants, subdivision specialists and realtors, we are basically losing our independence and lining someone else’s pockets rather than saving money in OUR pocket. make no mistake about it, these people have very LARGE fees. as i have quoted before and i am only speaking for myself here: “I am looking forward to finding and forming Tiny House communities that care more about helping their network of friends attain their goals of smaller living than lining their pocketbooks.” i think what jay has to offer, while some seem to think its somewhat expensive, is an easier way to NOT HAVE TO TAKE OUT A MORTGAGE or spend your life savings! i think simple and easy financial freedom is what people are looking for, not something that will force them to depend on bank loans and payments AGAIN for the rest of their lives, especially seniors.
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Donna F. reply on March 13th, 2009 5:46 pm:
Here Here!
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Bill Rockhill (Bear Creek Carpentry) reply on April 22nd, 2009 10:29 am:
Dear Betsy
I understand the dilemma you face, I can say being a builder for some 30 plus years now that building any structure completely self contained for approx. $50,000.0 or less is no great money maker considering the cost of the land ,dealing with planning boards, zoning boards public space requirements, ingress and egress roads etc. any one with the where with all and say 10 acres that would be legally developed for say 20 to 25 mini or tiny houses would probably save a substantial amount of money and headaches and build say 5 regular size say 2000 sq. ft. at some 250 to 300m each . No I think the developer wouldnt be lining his pockets but the towns and codes office would make out as there would be a building permit and all appropriate inspections etc. To build small communities has to start from the heart not the pocketbook.
This is just my opinion though.
Although if someone developed a site and ONLY tiny houses could rent a spot and utilities it might afford someone a long term living.
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Cathy,
Thank you for sharing your pictures and story! I am driving through Crescent City later this week. Any chance I can come by for a visit? I have yet to see a Lusby live and in person (only the smaller Epu) and I’d like to get a feel for difference in size. I am planning on building on a 20 foot trailer but I want to see how that feels.
I would be SO grateful to you if you were willing… chocolate? brownies? wine? beer? Whatever your favorite vice, I’ll happily have it in hand. I expect to be in the area Friday of this week. You can email me at blake dot reg at gmail dot com.
Hope to hear from you!!!!!
mandy
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i am very interested in ‘tiny houses’ and small living spaces, but one serious concern i have is the sleeping lofts. i love them. they’re great when one is younger, but senior citizens on ladders every night is not neccessarily a good idea, generally speaking. same thing with people who have health and mobility problems. so that’s a bit of a challenge when it comes to making the best use of space.
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Donna F. reply on February 18th, 2009 4:04 pm:
Hey Tari,
If you don’t like the lofts of the Lusby, Jay has another design called “New Popomo”. It does not have the pronounced gable roof, and therefore has no loft. It has taller ceilings, and a large glass wall–looks very similar to the Z-Glass house, only proportioned to fit on an 8×18 ft. flatbed. He doesn’t have it posted here yet, but it IS in the Portfolio of Homes book (from which my information comes). I purchased it here on this website http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/books/.
Hope this helps!-
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Tari Akpodiete reply on February 22nd, 2009 5:39 am:
thank you very much for the info, Donna, i will check it out for sure. i’m still fairly young and in realitively good shape myself, so it’s not that i don’t like the lofts – love them actually – but i was considering both long-term practicality, and also the reality that some people won’t be able to safely navigate the ladder at any age.
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Cathleen Witt reply on February 22nd, 2009 2:39 am:
The small downstairs room in the Lusby is designed to function as a bedroom – twin bed size. I originally thought that I would use it that way. but found that I really enjoy sleeping in the loft. Certainly it’s not for everyone!
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Shannon Rose reply on March 21st, 2009 7:06 pm:
HI Cathy,
I am in Portland at the moment (we live in a bus) and I wondered if you might be interested at all in showing me your Lusby if I drive up. This is the model I would like from the pics I’ve seen but I’d really like to see one in real life. I’d happily pay you for your time, bring sweet treats, booze, whatcha like!
Email is shannonroselive@mac.com
Thanks much!
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Cathleen Witt reply on October 28th, 2009 3:45 pm:
Hi Shannon,
So sorry for not replying. I did not realize the page was still available and getting comments. I will email you and we can talk.
Cathy
Jay Shafer reply on February 22nd, 2009 4:59 am:
I’d recommend one of my designs with a bed downstairs and suggest using the loft as storage or a guest room.
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Tari Akpodiete reply on February 22nd, 2009 5:40 am:
thanks Jay. i hope to see some pix of your “New Popomo” design that Donna has mentioned.
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betsy reply on February 24th, 2009 3:38 pm:
tari…if you buy jay’s book – tumbleweed tiny houses: portfolio of homes – you will see it in there. i think he should keep some stuff restricted to the book so people will buy it. i know how expensive doing all the work that he does is. i think he provides an awful lot of free information here. there are a couple of other plans in his book as well that are not on the site. it’s really a nice tiny book and well worth the investment of a few dollars. betsy
Great to see your tiny house Cathy. So nice of you to share like this. Cheers!
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May I ask what your average utility bills are? I am trying to compare tiny housing cost to normal living cost.
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Jay Shafer reply on April 20th, 2009 9:23 am:
I pay $70 per year to heat my house in Northern CA and I paid $160 per year in IA four years ago.
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Hey Cathy!
It’s your cousin Linda saying hello fromTexas! What a cute house you have. How long have you been in Oregon? I hear it is really “God’s Country” out there!
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Cathleen Witt reply on October 28th, 2009 3:39 pm:
Hi Linda! Wow, so great to hear from you! I’m sorry I didn’t reply sooner, but I didn’t realize that my page was still up on the blog, so I stopped checking. Duh.
I’ve been here since 1999. I’d love to talk to you. Let’s see if we can connect offline, okay?
Cathy
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looking for tiny lot on which to build tiny house. want to relocate to CA to be by family who live in Bay area. Know that area is expensive. Any suggestions on where to look within an hour or two of San Fran. under 5,000 for land for 600 sf home?
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Jay Shafer reply on September 4th, 2009 11:41 am:
You could try renting a spot for a while ’til you find a property. That’s what I did.
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Great info, thanks for useful article. I am waiting for more
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I’m looking into forming a not-for-profit to assist recent college grads with HUGE dept repayment in building tiny house. would love to create a community of tiny’s / tiny space where young pple,/couples can get a step up after incurring large debt in college.
Thoughts?
Alan Plummer
Central Maine
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