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Plans on Sale through December 31st.The B-53 is our largest home. It can be built as a 2 bedroom or 3 bedroom house. The 3rd bedroom is an optional add-on bedroom that is on the first floor level. The top floor houses two additional bedrooms. When you purchase the plans, you receive the floor plans for the additional bedroom. The B-53 is designed as a stationary house only, permanently affixed to a foundation. This is not a modular home, and therefore cannot be built and shipped to you. We offer the plans so that you may build it. We suggest talking to local contractors about building costs in your area. Under most circumstances, building costs for a home affixed to a permanent foundation range from $100-$200 per square foot. |
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Very clever and aesthetic as well for most of the designs. I am a boatbuilder and many of the features of boats dovetail with your designs. some questions: total weight? Insulation? I have an 20′ocean container on my property used for tool storage. It would be an ideal shell to start with in some respects. It’s empty weight is 5000 lbs. Spray foam under the floor and 2x framing inside, run some wiring, a window or skylight and off you go. Comments? I know…UGLY!!!!
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Jay Shafer reply on November 7th, 2008 2:04 pm:
All of the pertinent specs are listed on links from our house pages. I think the container idea has tons of potential.
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Louis Meloche reply on January 3rd, 2009 5:40 pm:
I think it’s a great idea. I have been thinking about doing it for years now. Two 20 foot containers, 20 feet apart a roof spanning both, what a start !
Boat builders use every available inch, my little cabin was designed that way.
Louis
Do you know of any available plans using “sea containers” ?
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Jay Shafer reply on January 4th, 2009 11:12 pm:
Not right off.
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ken reply on February 11th, 2009 3:37 am:
many designs out there using shipping containers. here’s one:
http://www.architectureandhygiene.com/main.html
I love the B-53! Could it be built with the following modifications?
(1) the third bedroom space as a dining porch (for large holiday dinners & parties),
(2) a basement that would include a laundry room and another bedroom (plus some storage), and
(3) a mudroom, possibly along the side and attached to the stairs that would lead to the basement.
Any guesses on approximate cost to build this, with these modifications, in northern New England?
Kim
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Jay Shafer reply on November 7th, 2008 2:00 pm:
Yes, yes and yes. A quick guess at the price would be far from accurate since I don’t know all of the variables, but I’m sayin’ $100,000ish.
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Steve Korte reply on December 10th, 2008 6:34 pm:
Ms. Perez
I am the proud owner of the B-53 remix. This tiny home has been modified in a similar manner that you are requesting.
Some thoughts on your ideas:
You said, “(1) the third bedroom space as a dining porch (for large holiday dinners & parties)”
How many of your family members are gathering for this party? If it’s 10 or under I would recommend a picnic table on the land outside. A friend of ours in Holland has a B-53 (standard) and they have parties of 100 and up all the time. They have equipped the roof with a couple of couches for extra space. This may be a less expensive alternative to your concern.
You said, “(2) a basement that would include a laundry room and another bedroom (plus some storage)”
I really don’t think this is a good idea. This will triple the cost of production of your B-53 remix. A possible solution that our friends in Holland have incorporated is the “laundry room” is now in the bathroom. They created a custom CIP system in the bathroom. For more information on custom CIP solutions please visit http://www.morkusa.com.
You said, “(3) a mudroom, possibly along the side and attached to the stairs that would lead to the basement.”
Again, the basement would most likely triple the cost of this B-53. I would recommend “parking” this B-53 next to a pond or perhaps a lake. This way you can utilize all that mother earth has to offer without adding any additional cost to your B-53.
I hope this helps and I pray that you enjoy your remixed B-53 as much as all of our friends that visit ours do.
Take care Ms. Perez
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Gen A. reply on January 2nd, 2009 12:50 am:
Kim, I like your thinking! Those are the same modifcations I had in mind! And, while I understand Mr. Korte’s concerns for your costs, if you’re like me, I suspect that the modifications would be to make it more functional for your needs–forgoing costs. I am not sure what the weather is in Holland–but in Northern New England, I am certain you wouldn’t want to have a Christmas party outside. As for “parking” it next to a pond, maybe you already have your property purchased (I do) and a pond isn’t an option. I think your suggestions are wonderful, and I might “borrow” them from you, if you don’t mind? Thanks! - Gen
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Amanda reply on February 24th, 2009 6:13 pm:
I agree with a lot of this…. If you already have this model built can we see some pictures. I really like the plans on here, but there are no pics of the “larger” ones and that would help me visualize.
Also, I’m not aure exactly how your friends got a Washer/Dryer in the bathroom?
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celliott reply on April 3rd, 2009 7:23 am:
They probably put a stackable washer/dryer in the bathroom. These would be small enough to fit through the door. We own a 1955 house with 880 sq. ft. The washer and dryer (full sized but not large capacity) are in the kitchen. So is a 29″ refrigerator, standard range, and sink. Not room for many cabinets. Ideas? This house has 3 bedrooms, small but with closets, nice linen closet in hall and front closet. Combo LR/DR small but very functional. Almost all windows now replaced so house is pretty energy efficient. Central heat/air plus attic fan.
Jay Shafer reply on April 9th, 2009 4:57 pm:
I usually stick my washers and dryers under the kitchen counters. While you can’t tell by looking at it, I did that in this plan.
Anne O'Regan reply on June 1st, 2009 7:38 am:
Hi Kim,
I live in New England too, and am interested in this design—including your modification ideas. Have you begun to build yet?
Anne
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Kathy reply on July 9th, 2009 9:50 am:
Hi
I also live in northern New England, Maine to be exact. have just placed big house on market and DREAMING about the B-53. i would need a basement and garage. Would like it attached but not sure where i would attach the entry way.
and if anyone has inside pictures for ideas that would be great to see
thanks
kathy
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Jay Shafer reply on July 12th, 2009 1:59 pm:
you could attach through the back if you cut a bit of counter space.
Larry Crawford reply on November 8th, 2009 7:29 am:
Hi Kathy,
I lived for a short time in Allentown, PA. & my neighbors had done something that might give you a few ideas. They had a detached garage about 12 feet from the house. Hating the short walk outside to get to the garage, they built a Greenhouse as a walkway connecting the house to the garage. They said it gave them the advantages of a connected garage, while keeping the insurance cost down as the garage was still considered as ‘detached’.
As Kim suggested above, the third bedroom could be made into a dining area with an entry to a greenhouse/walkway to a seperate garage. With a large enough garage, you might not even need the added expense of a basement.
This also keeps the original design intact ( ‘Jay smiles’ ) and the greenhouse gives you some gardening options not commonly available up in Maine.
Thanks for posting the B-53! I’ve been telling family about it and I think it’s going to be a huge hit. I think it’s a great size for my twenty and thirty something year old cousins and friends that all have one or two kids and I’m hoping to convince them to each build one. A while back I read something about the B-52 being built on Whitbey Island. Has that happened yet? Thank you again!
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Jay Shafer reply on November 7th, 2008 1:46 pm:
I recently visited the Whidbey Is. site, and it looks like they have basically doubled the size of the designs I sent and, inadvertently, altered the proportions. They no longer resemble Tumbleweed Houses.
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Nicole Marie reply on November 7th, 2008 3:29 pm:
Jay, that just stinks. I think everyone who posts on this site should be dissapointed to hear that someone would alter B53 so radically. I thought small was the whole point! These are lovely homes that you design and the Tumbleweed company builds. They remind me so much of the small old bungalows here in So Cal that are just little treasures.
I really encourage anyone out there who has built one of Jay’s homes and not doubled it’s size to please post on the builders page. It would really help eveyone see how the houses should look and really help inspire a lot of folks out there, not to mention answer so many questions about how the homes look on the inside. The Reed’s little red roof home in Mother Earth News is a great start, but the more homes people see, the more the word gets out.
Jay, keep the small houses coming and those of us who get it will pledge to build small. All of you at Tumbleweed rock! Keep the tiny revolution rolling!
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Andrew J reply on November 10th, 2008 6:11 am:
That is a shame…my wife and I are thinking about building this house, and we would add a basement to gain a little more space but keep from altering the look and lateral dimensions of the house.
Jay Shafer reply on November 10th, 2008 2:38 pm:
I, personally, have nothing against customizations. All of the houses on our “houses built by customers” link are customized. Of course, my ego does look forward to seeing one of each built as I have designed them, and the one you’re describing would allow me to.
Don reply on January 12th, 2009 3:40 am:
Keep in mind you are expressing a subjective opinion. Please, allow others the same privilege and courtesy. All opinions are perspectival and therefore size is relative.
bobbi reply on May 29th, 2009 11:03 pm:
Love b53 as it feels like it could be a home. wonder if it can be modified for built in shelving. I would forfeit the washer/dryer and extras for some clutter free work space as I am a writer so books are my biggest thing to downsize. Also, I would keep in mind the theme and use the laundramat and all green ideas. I wonder though, how much heat gets stored and how functional the kitchen is really, in use, not theory. Is it easy to modify for energy alternatives such as windows and panels? also, any idea of cost building in a cold state such as INDY where the wind chill requires good heating and/or high value insulation? Ithink I would screen in the porch, or go that option to extend the living areas, but not picnic in the snow.
Jay Shafer reply on June 2nd, 2009 5:02 am:
All of this is possible, and the insulation is more than ample for Indy.
What’s the difference between this and the B-52? I’ve seen this house in the portfolio, and have heard about the B-52…what’s the change?
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Jay Shafer reply on November 7th, 2008 1:41 pm:
This one meets minimum size requirements (just barely). These codes demand that every room in every house be a certain size. They are horrible, but, by adding just a few square feet to those old designs, local housing officials should be appeased.
That said, I do still sell old designs to those who are interested.
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Thanks! I just hadn’t seen it, and have heard several say the B-52 was great. I don’t suppose there’s any way to see any of the older designs? Or are the houses in the current portfolio a pretty good updated representation of those designs?
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Jay Shafer reply on November 8th, 2008 4:26 pm:
I’ll have to do some sort of a retrospective display of all the old designs sometime. Until then, the current portfolio contains what I consider to be the most evolved versions of the designs.
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Ami reply on January 18th, 2009 9:44 pm:
YES please do display the old designs. I miss some of the older designs on the website, and considering i have the memory of a pea it would be helpful to know their dimensions. They are great to get ideas off of- combing the old with the new.
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What does the upstars look like? I assume that those are stairs I see in the floor plan. Are there any pics of the interior of this home?
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Matt reply on November 10th, 2008 1:17 am:
never mind on what the upstairs looks like just realized there is a floor plan for it. what is the ceiling hight on 1st and 2nd floor?
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Jay Shafer reply on November 10th, 2008 2:52 pm:
7′-6″.
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Jay Shafer reply on November 10th, 2008 2:53 pm:
I have no interior pix yet. I hope someone who built it will send some.
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My girlfriend and I are thinking about building one of these homes and are going back and forth on the idea. Do you or anyone else have any suggestions that may help lay the foundation.
Thanks
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Jay Shafer reply on November 10th, 2008 2:44 pm:
Meditate on what you really need to be happy. Everything else just gets in the way. You might try living in a tent or van for a couple weeks too (I’m only half kidding). Once you’ve lived with less than you probably need to be truly comfortable, a tiny house that meets your needs will seem positively luxurious.
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jesse boyd reply on November 13th, 2008 9:14 pm:
this made me laugh. true. now that we are becoming a global society there is a balancing going on where some countries may get more than a hut and americans may have to do with a little less and that is OK with me. a law of nature is to find balance.
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Thank you so much for your input. I think that this is something that we are definately going to do. We have actually been going without for some time now. And really want something to be our home but that we can travel with as well. So thank you not just for coming up with such an amazing idea but for helping us make our decision as well
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Hello,
I love all your houses. Probably would pick the “Tarleton”. I would like to know if there were a way to have the entry door on the side and use the front porch space for more house space? That way @ one end I could have the kitchen and at the other the full bathroom and maybe closet. That would leave the center for a sitting area.
Just my idea. *-)
Donna V
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Francis PP reply on November 11th, 2008 5:50 am:
I like Donna’s idea! The Tumbleweed line need a house that is between the 102sf and the 117’s
a 111 square feet house with a door on the side would be amazing (and probably the one I woud pick)
Mr, Schafer, you are doing an amazing work !
Joseph Jean Francis Philippe Pelletier.
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Jay Shafer reply on November 11th, 2008 8:58 pm:
I actually have a design called the Burnhardt that matches that description. It’s in the portfolio and will be posted on the site soon.
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Jay Shafer reply on November 11th, 2008 9:04 pm:
When there’s a will there’s a way, but the house you describe would require quite a few hours ($) to reconfigure.
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Re B-53 (and others…) I’d be inclined to increase interior headroom to at least 8′ or 8′3″ (walls framed with untrimmed 8′ studs). Seems to me the tiny/small house issue should be focused on footprint more than volume, and higher ceilings make rooms feel larger.
With some careful redesign, the front porch and dormer could retain their proportions and not change the appearance of the house appreciably. Comments?
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Jay Shafer reply on November 11th, 2008 8:56 pm:
I’m one of the only people I know who doesn’t generally like high ceilings. Seeing all that heat up there in the winter gets my goat. So it’s unlikely that I’ll be raising the ceilings myself. That said, it would be pretty easy to do it yourself once you had the plans.
Another point worth mentioning is that the second floor in the midsize houses can be shrunk down so that it sits only over the bathroom and kitchen. This leaves a huge (relatively) cathedral ceiling over the main room.
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Roger in Seattle reply on November 12th, 2008 4:13 am:
Excellent point about heat, but since high-level insulation has become so easy, it’s much less of an issue than it was in those high-ceilinged houses of the early 20th century. And with the small footprint, but actual volume of heated up there isn’t really very great.
And good point also about just doing a partial second floor. Probably best option for folks who don’t need the floorspace upstairs.
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do you do customizations on the plans you sell? For example if someone wanted to make the 3rd bedroom into a more multi-purpose type room and wanted a back door add to the room. Could that change be made to the plans? if so what would the extra cost be for the customization?
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Jay Shafer reply on November 11th, 2008 8:48 pm:
I do simple customizations. The change you speak of would certainly qualify. This change would cost you $85 extra. Remember to note the change and the price I’m giving you when you place your order. Send the extra $85 to Tumbleweed Tiny House Co., P.O. Box 941, Sebastopol, CA 95473.
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This is truely amazing. I love this floor plan and boy could I use to down size my life. In looking at the site… I do have one question. Do I have to build it or can I get someone recommended to build?
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Jay Shafer reply on November 12th, 2008 1:31 pm:
Unless you live in the Bay Area, I have no recommendations, but I’d bet someone out there does.
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I like the B-53’s exterior look a little better than the Enesti, but I am wondering how you get an extra 60+ square feet in the B-53, when the footprint is the same as that of the Enesti.
Also, what do the thin lines drawn on either side of the master bedroom signify?
Can’t wait to get building one of these as soon as our home sells!! If we wanted to buy the plans, but wanted a couple of things changed would we go through you, or our building contractor?
Thank you & Peace
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Jay Shafer reply on November 16th, 2008 3:34 pm:
We count more of the space upstairs as square footage because more of it is over 7′ tall. Both are really about the same size though.
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This is probably my favorite design — partly because, with the 3rd bedroom (which I also picture as a sort of utility room or workshop — I’m a tinkerer), it’s just over the minimum size dictated by building codes in my county. I wouldn’t be able to start building for 2 or 3 years, but that’s still considerably less time than it would take to save up enough for a bigger house — and it looks like some of the details which can save a lot of energy up here in the desert would be pretty easy to integrate.
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Hi,
I’m responding to an earlier comment Jay made back on Nov 10th about customizations. I total agree that making a Tumbleweed or any house your own is a really important thing, and I think most of the people who post on this site would agree that we don’t need any more track home clones. But, I did have a huge reminder today of just how good the work Tumbleweed and the Small House Society are doing. One reason I love the B53 is it’s resemblance to the bungalows in parts of downtown Riverside, CA, most of which are between 800- 1000sq ft. A few years ago an aquaintence of my sister’s bought one of these darling homes, a 3br. The family wanted to make it their own and decided to change a few things. The changes snowballed into a 2000+ sq ft addition that brought the total sq ft of the house to over 3000 sq ft! All this for a family of 3 and a dog. The house now sits abandoned and foreclosed, it’s tragic. I truly feel the lessons of Tumbleweed & SHS in it’s economy of space and a simplified life are great lessons for everyone. I applaud everyone who posts here for their excellent ideas on how to work with the small plans and keep the houses small, without creating another supersized mistake. I was reminded today of how important that is.
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I’m wondering what that thing is on the left-hand side of the living room space in the B53…a stove?
These houses are darling! I had just about given up on ever being able to own a house, but now I see that it might be possible after all! What do you have to do to change local zoning laws? I’m pretty feisty; who can I hassle?
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Jay Shafer reply on November 23rd, 2008 1:51 pm:
Hassle your local planning dept. to allow for more small houses per acre without undue permitting fees. And when you’re done, come hassle my local planing dept. too.
You guessed it. that’s a stove.
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We absolutely love this house. I have several questions, though.
1. The picture for this house is the same as a picture for another, smaller plan. Which plan does it actually belong to?
2. Do you have any back/side elevations of this house? I’m assuming there are some gables on the back?
3. How tall is this house? We know at least 15′ plus floor joists, but want to know how much it will stick up above the landscape.
4. Does the house with an addition have a larger kitchen than the one without?
Thank you!
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Jay Shafer reply on November 23rd, 2008 1:45 pm:
1) They are two different images. The yellow, wider house is a picture of the larger B-53. The image of the smaller green house is of the smaller Loring.
2) Yes there are.
3) It’s about 22′ tall.
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E. Joe C. reply on November 28th, 2008 10:54 pm:
Mr. Shaffer, yes the picture is similar to the Loring but wider and has a different front porch. The dimensions and floor plan are the same as the Enesti, except the large bedroom dimensions, but the entire square footage is the same. Do you have the larger dimensions Floor Plan for the B-53? I would really love to see this house at 700-800+ Sq ft.
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This is a great plan. Are the walls desined so that pocket doors would be an option? Also, is the plumbing set up on interior walls?
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Jay Shafer reply on November 23rd, 2008 1:26 pm:
Generally speaking, if there is enough wall on one side of the door or the other to accommodate the full width of the door a pocket can be installed (except where there’s plumbing involved).
Yes.
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Hi,
I want to build the larger B-53. Where I live, temperature ranges between -25 C and 32 C.
1. Is the B-53 designed to accommodate heavy snow loads?
2. Do the plans provide for the extra insulation needed here?
3. Can the plans accomodate ducting?
4. Is the staircase to upstairs sufficiently wide and high to move a queen-size bed upstairs?
5. If I want to add a basement, where would the staircase go?
Thank you in advance for your help.
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Jay Shafer reply on November 27th, 2008 4:55 pm:
1) Yes.
2) See response to Greame above.
3) Yes.
4) Yes.
5) Under the existing stairs.
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I was looking at the Lusby. Would it be able to handle the cold winters of Wyoming? The -10F nights? Thanks!
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Jay Shafer reply on November 27th, 2008 4:47 pm:
See previous response.
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Jay Shafer reply on November 27th, 2008 4:50 pm:
Actually, forget the previous response. With the tiny ones you will be fine with considerably less insulation. Iowa is about the same as Wyoming in the winter, and I had the warmest house in town and only spent about $160 per year on propane. I was living in the Epu.
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Me and my wife have been looking at smaller, more energy efficient homes for a while and while only your largest design would have enough room for us + kids, I do admit to finding the idea intriguing. Three questions though; 1) How well insulated ARE the designs you have? I live in a part of Canada where in the last 2 years we have hit low temperatures below -40 degrees centigrade for at least one week straight per winter. Once in the last 10 years we were the coldest part of the world, beating both antarctica and siberia. As such, the walls in new construction here are usually built of 2×6 studs to allow much-needed extra insulation. 2) Were we to build the design we would be adding a basement for storage. DO the plans as written allow for this? 3) What is the rated load of the roof for winter peak snow load, as that is a bit of a concern in this part of the world.
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Jay Shafer reply on November 27th, 2008 4:46 pm:
Now that is cold! You can fit 3 1/2″ of extruded polystyrene foam board in our 2×4 walls, about 7 1/2″ in the roof and about 9 1/4 in the floor, so, at about 5 Rs of insulating power per inch, you could get nearly 18 Rs in the walls, and more than 35 in the roof and floor. Unfortunately the map at http://www1.eere.energy.gov/consumer/tips/insulation.html#map doesn’t cover Canada, but I know there’s a map out there that will tell you if our walls are thick enough for your area. If not, you could beef them up a bit.
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Hi,
Just wondering about a few things, namely: can the plans be changed to accommodate 2×6 studs without changing the interior floor space, and is it possible to replace the (I’m assuming propane powered) fireplace to a wood burner? I can see how this and your other smaller homes would be even more efficient in remote area’s if the stove burned wood. (It would allow for even less use of propane.) Thank you for a speedy reply, and am looking forward to seeing some of the older homes.
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Jay Shafer reply on November 28th, 2008 5:52 pm:
Yes, the 2×6 variation could be accommodated by altering the exterior by a couple inches. And a wood stove would be an easy switch.
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Hi!
1) Is it possible for you to label the rooms on the pictures above like you have done with the other houses?
2) Also, how long do you believe you will have these plans available for? My Fiance and I are very interested in the B-53 but don’t believe we will begin the process for another 2 or 3 years.
3) What are the demensions of the third bedroom?
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Jay Shafer reply on December 4th, 2008 2:51 am:
1. Good idea.
2. We will probably have this one around for a long while.
3. About 7′ x 11′.
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So question. I have 5 small children aged 5-10, and I try to be green every way I can, however, I cannot find a vehicle that will fit 7 people that is environmentally as friendly as many of the smaller vehicles because most people do not have a family of seven, so we aren’t catered too. I LOVE these homes, but how on earth can I squeeze all of us in one? I live in what should be a huge apartment at 1200sqft, but we are all always on top of each other. If anyone has ANY tricks or tips or ideas or suggestions (giving away free children to a good home
I would love to hear them. How does one go green and minimalize a big family? How can we all fit in one tiny home (considering at some point they will be teenagers and I have 4 girls and one boy?) can you build closet sized bedrooms that will just fit a bed and a dresser so they can all have their own little bit of space (for my sanity)? Or would that be against all county codes for size? Ok, I’m done now. Hit me!
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Jay Shafer reply on December 4th, 2008 2:42 am:
I often get asked what my definition of a “small” house is, Melanie. I have always refused to answer with any specific number because, let’s face it, a 5,000 square foot house is small if you have 20 people living in there. As far as I’m concerned, a Hummer filled with 8 people is (despite all preconceptions) perfectly viable. That said, if you like my designs in particular, I recommend the Enesti with an additional bedroom on each side and another in the back with a wrap-around porch connecting them all. But that’s only five bedrooms in total, so I guess you’ll still have to make a couple kids make XS-House shells and live out back.
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Rae reply on June 22nd, 2009 7:21 pm:
I really do not see why children today must each have their own bedroom. I see many benefits to sharing, using double bunks, if necessary. I know a sixteen and fourteen year-old who have shared all their lives and are extremely close and bonded. Helps kids learn to get along with others, overcome obstacles, share, bond, and so on. Worked for the Brady Bunch.
But,really, years ago, this was the norm. With four sons and one daughter, a four-bedroom home should be plenty. The fourth is for homework/tech desks and extra storage (Elfa line at Container Store is pricey, but super configurable, into perpetuity, to adapt to needs). Also, kids need to be sent outside more often. The comedian Sinbad has a hilarious old routine where he talks about when he was young, and parents all sent the kids outside after school to play. Sure, times and safety have changed, but there is still fun to be had out there, especially with siblings to look out for each other. Just some ideas. Here is a link to a trailer I saw with a tiny bathroom, kitchen, table for eight, and eight berths. Not my idea of practical for every day, but it’s just some inspiration..http://media.rptia.com/images/Cavco_Industries,_Inc/P2.jpg
Best wishes!
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Jay Shafer reply on June 23rd, 2009 1:16 pm:
Thanks, Rae.
Kennon Nilsen reply on December 6th, 2008 2:44 am:
For those that need more space with more kids, You can look ot the United States Navy for help. Berth space is all that is needed for sleeping. you could reasonable sleep 4 kids on a wall that is only 8 feet long with a 24 inch wide bunk. Look at the design of submarines. These ideas are not new.
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my dogs have lived in a small home for years now (approx 32 sq feet)… it has a 2500 BTU HVAC system you might consider for the smaller homes you build. it would certainly take the edge off a hot humid summer night, especially in the loft.
see the dogouse at http://www.petmcmansions.com
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Jay Shafer reply on December 6th, 2008 6:12 pm:
Thanks, Rich.
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hey everybody -
my boyfriend and i are considering building the b-53 in a few years, and we were wondering if anyone had pictures of the interior or even just pictures of the finished exterior? we’d really love to see how people fit furniture/clothes/themselves in this tiny house!!!
thanks so much…
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Hi Jay: with the B-53 do you think a family can reasonably “get by” with only one bathroom? If so, do you suggest the top floor? Thanks, Pete
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Jay Shafer reply on December 6th, 2008 5:53 pm:
I wish I cold answer that, but it depends on the family. I can only suggest that you try experimenting. If you have more than one right now, lock some doors and see how it goes.
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pete schaffer reply on December 6th, 2008 11:04 pm:
Thanks Jay!
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Angela Dunavant reply on February 12th, 2009 8:51 pm:
I just saw this question about a family and only 1 bathroom. I think this question is part of “how much space do you need”. I’m not being disrespectful or catty. My grandmother’s house was a 2 bedroom 1 bath house that accomodated grandma and her 2 sisters, my parents, my brother and myself in the 1950s. We spent every vacation (2 times a year) there for the next 15 years until grandma and her sisters passed away. We didn’t feel 1 badroom was inadaquate at all, we were used to it. Now we are accustomed to 2 or more bathrooms in every home so 1 doesn’t seem like enough. I think Jay is correct in experimenting with having only 1 bathroom.
Geren Mortensen reply on June 2nd, 2009 12:40 pm:
For years, bathrooms in a home were an expensive luxury. Families who “got by” with one were the lucky ones. My mother had 4 sisters and a brother. The house they grew up in was about 1100 square feet with a single bathroom and only two bedrooms! I think that’s why my mother is so funny about houses — she almost wants more bathrooms than bedrooms! Anyway, the point is that it’s a lifestyle choice. I personally like to have at least a bath-and-a-half if there are more than one person living in the home — just in case two people have need of a toilet at the same time.
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Is there a place where we can see models? I am much interested in the Ernesti / B-53. Great-looking product!!
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Jay Shafer reply on December 6th, 2008 5:36 pm:
Only my house as of yet. But I hope to have a whole village for show someday.
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If you changed your car’s oil over to full synthetic and stopped changing your oil every 3000 miles you would reduce carbon footprint more than moving yourself into a tight cramped space that is overpriced and not necessary. Humans are not animals and should not be caged. A 1400 sq ft house that is built with recycled materials and is energy effeceint will have more of an impact than these small cages do.
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Jay Shafer reply on December 6th, 2008 5:35 pm:
Don’t knock it until you try it, Kennon. I generally open my house up to visitors on the first Saturday of every month. I welcome you to stop by and see how spacious just 100 square feet can feel when it’s designed well.
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pete schaffer reply on December 6th, 2008 11:06 pm:
What city is your B-53 home in? (If I’m ever in the neighborhood I’d like to take you up on the “once a month visitors.”) Thanks, Pete
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Jay Shafer reply on December 7th, 2008 12:26 am:
Sorry, Pete. I only do tours of my personal residence. It’s only 8′x12′, and it’s in Sebastopol, CA. I believe the next open house is on January 3. See this link for details http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/openhouse/#faq
James reply on December 15th, 2008 5:44 am:
I love this B-53 plan, Jay. To the person who said these homes are “cages”, I’d point out that my wife and I live comfortably in an apartment that’s less than 600 sq. ft., so we’d be fine in the B-53. That being said, though, I’d add one proviso: it helps that we live in a temperate area with mild winters. Having to stay in a small space for days at a time would be tough.
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I am interested in downsizing to something like the B-52. But, is there a way to build the 3 bedroom with a full bath downstairs and upstairs? Aging parents may come to live with us one day.
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Jay Shafer reply on December 8th, 2008 3:55 am:
I can do that.
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Concerning 20 ft containers. I framed in the end of one for a 6′ slideing glass door in a way that the outer steel doors could still close and lock. Added windows , solar panels on roof , insulation and a few other features and had a comfortable, portable small home for a very small price. great to live in on remote property while building your house or for vacation cabin?
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Jay Shafer reply on December 8th, 2008 3:54 am:
Cool!
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Will you be posting elevation drawings of the B-53 anytime soon? I’m interested in the pitch and style of the roof, as well as dormers.
My fiance are interested in building the B-53 (and will send pictures when we’re finished) but have talked to builders, realtors and the city, and in Canada where we live we cannot use your building plans — different codes etc come into it at that point. How much information can you provide us, to keep this house as closely to your plans, without feeling like you’re getting ripped off
Thanks
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Jay Shafer reply on December 8th, 2008 3:53 am:
I want to see that house built. I wonder what your local officials have against it. If they say it’s too small pull 104.11 of the International Building Code on ‘em. It encourages local departments to weigh the benefits of alternative design, materials and methods in the course of evaluating a project. Let them know that building small is the greenest thing you can do. Then let ‘em know that, if they didn’t know that already, they’re in the wrong business.
We can also make simple adjustments to the plans for a low cost if that becomes necessary.
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Amanda reply on February 24th, 2009 8:43 pm:
What province are you in? I’m pretty sure the BC Building Code does allow most of this. THe only concern I’m having is the stairs…. I’m working on that one.
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Jay Shafer reply on March 1st, 2009 1:18 am:
I just added 2 stairs to the plan last week to make the officials happy.
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I really love the B-53. I want to buy the plans, but want a couple of modifications (see below) Would you do these, or a building contractor?
1) Ceilings at least 8 ft. (or 8′3″ as I’ve seen mentioned here). Downstairs especially. Is Up possible too?
2) Skylights (that can be opened) in the upstairs bedrooms for more light (as I’d be building this in Seattle). Possibly moving a window or two downstairs and wrapping the porch around to one side for a porch swing.
3) Smaller bathroom down (a water closet with toilet and ¼ size sink) leaving another foot (or so) on that side of the Living Room. Can the stairs be reduced or placed in such a way to give more room to the downstairs?
4) Remove the small interior wall between kitchen/booth, to build an L-shaped bench instead (the space could then be used with or without a table)….and similarly opening the closet directly upstairs for a window seat with storage under.
A couple more questions, following on earlier queries:
Would you be post elevation drawings of the B-53? I’m interested in the pitch and style of the roof, as well as dormers.
What do the thin lines drawn on either side of the master bedroom signify? Is that storage?
Where is the ‘builders page’, with the pictures of builders homes? Do I have to purchase plans first to have access?
Any thoughts on approximate cost to build, with these modifications, in Seattle?
Thanks! ‘Just enough’ is beautiful.
Grace
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Jay Shafer reply on December 12th, 2008 4:49 pm:
All of your ideas seem viable. I’d love to do the modifications myself, but considering how full my plate is already, I think you should just buy the plans and turn them over to an architect.
We don’t normally post side elevations anywhere other than the portfolio and in the plans themselves, but I’ll see what I can do.
The lines represent storage.
Look for the “See houses built by our customers” link on the home page.
I don’t think your modifications should add more than $5000 extra.
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I love your direction and dedication, I stumbled on this article last night and am very pleased to see the quality of craftsmanship employed here. Having had a few wooden boats I can truly appreciate the keen use of limited space. You have got my mind going now and I’d like to share the following thoughts;
I noticed Dee’s Solar array and was thinking it’d be really cool to incorporate it into the roof structure using solar shingles, see their site:(http://www.oksolar.com/roof/).
Another thought is to have heated water via a tankless system with hydro powered ignition, their site is http://www.houseneeds.com/shop/HeatingProducts/WaterHeating/AquaStar1/AquaStar125.htm
As far as water supply is concerned, maybe a flexible bladder (waterbed?)sandwiched between the loft floor and ceiling below could yield as much as 50 gallons of storage (yes I realize thats 8.5 lbs per gallon). And provide a gravity flow?
For refrigeration, I like the one mentioned here, http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/refrigeration_b.php
What do you recomend for the toilet, Have you looked at SunMar composting toilets?
Thanks for your time, hope these ideas help.
Best Regards,
Michael
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Jay Shafer reply on December 12th, 2008 4:35 pm:
thanks for all the ideas and links, Michael. I have a composting toilet as described here. I highly recommend it. http://www.jenkinspublishing.com/sawdustoilet.html
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meghan evans reply on December 17th, 2008 8:43 pm:
my husband and I are using the sawdust toilet…it really does work!
Currently we are living in our RV, with an office in our barn. (Yes, the barn was built before the house.) I love the ideas on this site, and I think that the B53 will be on our top five list when in comes time to build.
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Thanks for the new link, I can see the B53 specs now. I have only 2 questions:
1. If you were going to add a fireplace to the B53, where do you think it would fit most easily?
and
2. Have you considered partnering with a company that would design solar, wind, & ground-source heat pump systems to make your Tumbleweed designs off-grid? It seems like a logical next step in reducing consumption, and, if you had a link to the other company on your website, it would mean they were honest & familiar with your designs. They might even answer people’s detailed questions about insulation for various models based on climate of the building site.
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Jay Shafer reply on December 12th, 2008 4:20 pm:
1) I’d put the fireplace right behind where the heat stove is currently located in the living room.
2) Yes. We are in touch with a couple specialists and hope to work them into our operation more consistently in the future.
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Message for Kim Perez who asked about modifications. My idea for extra dining/laundry is this: add on the third bedroom and build in an L-shaped bench with a table for dining. Extra chairs can be pulled out and placed on the other two sides of the table if more people are dining. In the adjacent corner put in a fold-up triangle-shaped desk unit that is opened up for use. The space where the dining booth is right now can be used for stackable washer/dryer and a little dry food pantry space. As a cook one of my main concerns about the houses is will I have room to really cook and bake, make jam, make bread by hand, etc. I would also probably keep a small storage shed against the side of the building for bulky kitchen appliances and stuff.
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I love this house! I wish I could have found some in my area when my husband and I were house hunting a couple years ago. We are currently living in about 850 sq. ft. of space, but this is laid out so much better!
I have stumbled upon another site that I always toss around when I’m dreaming of building. Do you know of anyone trying SIP’s for building these? They’re supposed to be awesome, and easy for a few people to buld a house themselves. (www.ameripanel.com)
Also, I see that you push the tankless water heater in these homes. Do they actually work? I’ve heard they get limed up real bad here in WI, and to me that makes sense. (Kinda like a coffee pot that needs to be kept clean with vinegar) I would love to put one in my current home, since we have limited space as well.
Love what you do!
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Jay Shafer reply on December 18th, 2008 3:40 pm:
SIPS will work just fine. I was going to build my first house from them, but went with something I already understood.
I hadn’t heard that about the water heaters. Thanks for the heads up.
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I can’t seem to find the difference between the 774 sqf Enesti and the 837 sqf B-53. Where is the addtional 63 sqf thats in the B-53 thats not in the Enesti?
I like the lay out of the Enesti but I like the size of the B-53.
Thank you for your time
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Fallooza reply on December 18th, 2008 10:50 am:
the front bedroom of the B-53 has a bump out over the porch. the Enesti does not.
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I love this house. I live in Alaska, and am wondering if there would be any problems with this house in the sub-zero temperatures. Can someone advise if there would be any foreseeable problems, or if any extras would be required?
Thanks very much.
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Jay Shafer reply on December 31st, 2008 4:19 pm:
This and all my houses were designed with 2×4 walls. This one also has 2×8 rafters and 2×10 floor joists. This allows for about 15 Rs of insulation in the walls, 35 in the roof and about 45 in the floor. That’s more than enough in most areas (especially in such a small space), but, if you want more, you can always beef up the framing.
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Ray reply on January 29th, 2009 7:19 pm:
Is the plan adaptable to being made from SIPs?
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Ray reply on January 29th, 2009 7:21 pm:
oops already answered.
Jay Shafer reply on January 31st, 2009 5:59 pm:
Sure. That would work well.
andrew hampe reply on April 20th, 2009 11:45 pm:
I forgot to give my 2 cents on SIPS. Many people think they are the greatest but here in Alaska I’m Not so sure. The problem with them is they are made square and strait but they do not always line up tight on the seams. Here in Ak we need to use plastic vapor barrier and the Sips people say you don’t need to. Well I know of one case that a very large apt building rotted out in a matter of just a few years.
Water vapor traveling threw the seams rotted all the osb sheeting and this was a multi million dollar problem. Glad it wasn’t mine and I will not be using them here or any where else. Andrew
andrew hampe reply on April 20th, 2009 11:29 pm:
In alaska and other cold places make sure that you do not pack your rafters full of insulation. This may not make since to some but trust me I know this as I have lived in alaska for 26+ years and have buildt many homes small and large. We need to have air flow over the top of the insulation and good venting in the eves. All homes make water vapor and it will freeze in the roof and when warm weather comes around your frozen glacier in your roof will melt and you will think your roof is leaking.
So with 2×8 rafters you can not put in more then 6 in of insulation and this will let the air flowing over the top to get rid of that water vapor. If you want more insulation you need to go to 2×10s or 12s
Love your ideas jay. Been looking at your ideas for years and glad that it looks like more people all the time are getting interested in living small. I have for a long time wanted to build a bunch of small houses for a co/habit with gardens.The problem is places that have sewer don’t want small houses and land with no sewer system the law wants you to have a septic for each one and that is costly and I don’t understand why 3 small one bedroom houses hooked to one septic would be any different than one big three bedroom house. Some how DEC sees them different.
maybe need to think more on the electric toilet and maybe than could hook more places up for just gray water. Just wondering if you have and ideas on this. Andrew
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Victoria reply on April 21st, 2009 11:02 am:
You don’t have to live in cold climates to have this problem. I live in Northern California and we had the same issue: not enough open space between the roof and the ceiling (in a cathedral ceiling). During warm weather the ceiling would “leak” nasty black liquid; the roof eventually rotted through. Had to completely replace the roof/ceiliing. Adding extra room to increase air flow/ventilation corrected the problem.
Jay Shafer reply on April 25th, 2009 6:37 pm:
I recommend a non-electrical composting toilet to allow even more flexibility.
I have been looking at house plans over the years, to replace my existing too large, propane using home. I commend you for your simple living and plan to get back to it someday. It is so easy to get wrapped up in material things. Does the international code thing work. Our local code I eleive is 950 sq ft, so the plans wouldn’t need to be changed to much. Great job!!!!!!
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Is there any reason the toilet in the downstairs bath couldn’t be turned under the window? Are toilets never plumbed on the outside wall?
If you rotate the toilet, I think you could resize the bathroom to 4.5′ x 3.5′ and add another foot of cabinet space to the kitchen…
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Theresa reply on January 6th, 2009 3:05 am:
P.S. I love the booth in the kitchen. I’d make the benches like big storage boxes. What better place to store my Christmas tree and other seasonal items?
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Paul Guyon reply on January 6th, 2009 4:04 pm:
You can, but I think it might subject your plumbing to freezing?
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Theresa reply on January 6th, 2009 4:28 pm:
In my ex’s house, the kitchen sink and the dishwasher are both on an exterior wall? And I’m sure that house is not as well insulated as the B-53 is spec’d out to be…
I’m just trying to figure out ways to max out my kitchen space. I seem to spend a lot more time there than in my bedroom!
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Jay Shafer reply on January 6th, 2009 6:15 pm:
It is best to keep the pipes on or in interior walls whenever possible, but they can be put on/in the exterior ones to save space. Heat tape, good insulation and keeping the pipes outside the wall (preferably inside) can help.
Jay Shafer reply on January 6th, 2009 5:58 pm:
It is foreseeably possible.
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Ben reply on January 7th, 2009 2:22 am:
Jay, can you direct me on how to figure out (online or otherwise) whether I can place a WeeBee in my parents’ backyard? They live in MIddlesex County, New Jersey. I’ve gone online to RV sites for my area and RV regulations, but can’t find anything. Do I need to speak with my township?
Ben.
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Jay Shafer reply on January 7th, 2009 6:40 pm:
Ask the local planning dept.
Has the Wee Bee bump-out window style been applied to a size 117 sq.ft. tiny “home” yet? I think I heard it was in the works. If so, how can I view it?
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Jay Shafer reply on January 7th, 2009 6:39 pm:
It is in the new portfolio and will be posted on the site soon.
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I’ve done some research and can’t find the information online regarding whether a WeeBee can be placed in someone’s backyard in Middlesex County, New Jersey. I was hoping to plant one in my parents’ backyard, but can’t figure out whether that’s legal. I know Jay mentioned that some states/counties he was in had regulations with regard to that. Can anyone direct me in my search?
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Paul Guyon reply on January 12th, 2009 1:13 pm:
You have to contact your local zoning board/planning dept. Local governments rarely have useful web sites. They are almost always willing to help over the phone, just don’t be combative when you talk to them. They didn’t make the rules, the local elected officials did.
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HI! I just wanted to say that all of the home plans are awesome! My fiance and I will be looking into building the B-53. I have a few questions for you.
1. What type of fireplace is in the living room? Is it possible to have a wood burning fireplace?
2. Is there room for built in bookcases on either side of the living room?
3. Is there a place for a dishwasher in the kitchen, it is a little hard to tell.
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Siobhan reply on January 15th, 2009 2:05 am:
#2 should say on either side of the fireplace
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Jay Shafer reply on January 15th, 2009 5:21 pm:
Still yes.
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Jay Shafer reply on January 15th, 2009 5:20 pm:
1) I normally propose a gas fireplace, but wood poses no problem.
2) Yes.
3) Yes. I should mention somewhere that it’s already designed in.
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I just have one question:
1. What if I purchase the design for this particular house(B-53) with only 2 bedroom. And I decide as building it or a year later I want to add the 3rd bedroom. Do I contact you and you send me dimensions for the 3rd bedroom or do I have to send all my specs back to you that I already purchased for that upgrade?
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Jay Shafer reply on January 21st, 2009 12:39 am:
We send you the third bedroom specs. with the original order.
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I abolutely love the orange version! (Any idea what the colour would be in Benjamin Moore paint? I could stick the paint chip in my dream B-53 folder.) It’s amazing what a change in colours can do!
Thanks for posting the elevations.
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Jay Shafer reply on January 31st, 2009 5:51 pm:
I don’t know, but I bet you could take the photo in and choose a swatch to match.
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OMG! Thank you for posting the elevations for the B-53. What a difference it has made in my opinion. I love the front view of this house…the bungalow is such a classic look. But…I am disliking the raised back half of the roof line intensely. Is it necessary? It just breaks up those nice clean lines of the roof. Instead could you duplicate the front of the house on the back?
Thanks, still love these houses!
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Jay Shafer reply on January 31st, 2009 5:58 pm:
The shed dormer on the back could easily be made into a gabled dormer to match the front.
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still find no response to my emails, have written 3 times now. still hoping for response to my original email with questions. among the original questions, how does one go about finding trustworthy, reliable builders, real estate agents, & green builders & suppliers who strive to make living green affordable? & how does one go about actually getting a response from someone at your end? still hoping, karenlgm
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Drew reply on February 3rd, 2009 6:53 pm:
Karen,
It may be worth your time and effort to conduct a market analysis of the quality of offerings in your own region instead of relying on Jay to furnish you with this information.
There are numerous sites available. You can start by visiting Resources for Life or the Small House Society for a road map on where to begin.
Invest in yourself. Read some books on the subject–Jay has a recommended reading list on this site. Attend one of Jay’s Work Shops. Talk to as many Green Builders as possible. Ask to see their Portfolio. Know the pros and cons behind various building methods such as Stick Construction, SIPs or Straw Bale. Talk to your Municipal Inspector and ask about Codes. Ask them if they ever had any positive experience from certified Green Builders.
With a Library Card and a little persistence, this information will come at no cost to you.
Hope that helps.
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Jay Shafer reply on February 4th, 2009 7:44 pm:
I’m sorry we haven’t responded yet, Karen. It’s just two of us running the show right now, and we sometimes fall behind. If you bought plans, please use the contact info. listed at the bottom of each page. That will put you in direct contact with me.
In answer to your other questions, I’d start with a Google search. Type in the name of the area you live in along with “green builder” or “green materials”, etc.
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The photo here of the front of the B-53 must rank as one of the most appealing house photos of all time. Thanks, Tumbleweed, for not neglecting aesthetics!
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Jay Shafer reply on February 8th, 2009 3:00 am:
Thanks, James.
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Is it possible to build the 1st floor with radiant underfloor heat instead of the propane stove?
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Jay Shafer reply on February 14th, 2009 5:42 pm:
Sure.
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Of all your designs, Jay, this is one of my favorites. The beauty of the entrance is a sign of the energy you put into things.
My wife and I just signed up for the Minneapolis workshop event, so we’ll see you in around a month. We are looking forward to all the discussions.
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Jay Shafer reply on February 22nd, 2009 4:39 am:
See you then, Derek.
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Dining nooks are A++ awesome. Of course, everyone says this, but interior shots would be A+++ awesome. The house is right there, go inside and snap snap.
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A Questoin - where is the heat? I see the goat stove, and I think that would work gret for the teeny home (around 100sq ft), but I’m not sure it would work in here (does anyone know differently?). We had a wood stove in our last place and it kept the room it was in really warm and the rest of the house was like living in a freezer.
Also, what about the water heater? I see that there are references to a tankless system in previous posts, but where is it? Also, my parents have one of those and it doens’t seem to work very well, of course they also have a crazy shower with like 10 different spouts, so maybe it would be just fine for a normal or low flow shower head?
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Jay Shafer reply on March 1st, 2009 1:17 am:
There is a fairly large gas stove (rectangle) in the main room, and there’s a WH under the kitchen counter.
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Another question. I’ve asked this one before, but I don’t think I got an answer. Would it be possible to put in two super small bedroom in the place of the larger one upstairs? I think the width would be just enough for a bed to along the front wall if it were divided in two, but I[’m not sure about the height of the ceiling and where it would get too low for the bed to go in (my kids sleep in mates beds so drawers underneath, They are about 1 - 1.5 feet about the ground with the mattress and bed frame. I notice that most of the interior pics you do have (all of the really tiny houses) have a mattress on the floor in the loft, I assume the ceilings are higher in these plans, but I’m still not sure…
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Jay Shafer reply on March 1st, 2009 1:20 am:
Not a problem. 2 BRs instead of one would work fine. The ceilings upstairs are 7′ 6″ over most of the space.
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I live in central NC; hot and humid summers, wet winters, tricky building codes that vary greatly from one town to another.
I am really glad I found your site! Loving your designs.
I have been living in a “mobile home” in a trailer park for over a decade now, and am looking forward to purchasing a small private lot in the (hopefully) near future. Unfortunately, my by then decade+ home won’t be legal to move - state codes here ban moving a “mobile home” that’s over ten years old. With a seriously tight budget, I was struggling to figure out what - besides my camping tent - I was going to be able to afford to live in.
Then I found your site and plans.
For about what I was looking at paying for a prefab/modular/doublewide “mobile home”, I can afford to build a small home, workshop, AND gallery for my ceramics business! And be doing so “greener”, from recycled materials, and incorporating solar and wind powered solutions!
THANK YOU!!
Do you think I could recycle my current “mobile home” into materials to build the workshop and gallery from? That would allow me to save even more; and help insure very little of the old structure ends up in the landfill.
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Leeanna reply on March 5th, 2009 3:04 am:
P.S. Could you add some storage space beneath the stairs? That would seem a perfect way to optimize the use of space without having to alter the designs much, if at all.
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Jay Shafer reply on March 5th, 2009 6:09 pm:
It’s hard to read the plans on our site, but’ if you look closely, you’ll see that there’s a closet down there already.
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Jay Shafer reply on March 5th, 2009 6:07 pm:
Great idea, Leeanna.
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Hey Jay. I’ve been drooling over your houses for years, and it’s been fun to see how things have developed over the years. I’m a bit sad to see you aren’t doing customs anymore, since that was kind of my plan all along.
Anyway, I really like this one and was wondering what the limits of customization were. If, for example, I wanted the bump out to have bay windows with a window seat, have pocket doors, more windows, or to build the third bedroom but as more of a way to make a bigger kitchen to have room for canning and my chef tendencies? (Just running through all the different random ideas I’ve had…) If they are things that you don’t do, is it okay to take the plans somewhere and have them tweaked? I don’t want to step on your toes or do anything illegal, but unfortunately I’m not quite informed in the area on what is kosher or not.
Also, what are the squiggly lines on the third bedroom supposed to signify? Since I’ve seen two other people asked what the straight lines meant, maybe you could add a legend in the FAQs? I can’t figure out what the dotted likes are supposed to be for in the kitchen either.
I realize that probably sounds like I don’t like your house as it is, but I do. I blame it on watching HGTV lately that’s giving me all these ideas of things to stick in a house.
Although watching House Hunters is funny - last one I saw this woman, who lives by herself, bought a 2,000 square foot three bedroom, two bath house. I just don’t get what you need all that space for.
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Jay Shafer reply on March 9th, 2009 7:49 pm:
It would be best to get someone else to modify the plans, Moriah. The revisions sound simple, but I’m short on time right now. You could probably even make them yourself. Just google a bay window that fits, for example, and draw it in on the existing plans.
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ann reply on March 11th, 2009 5:01 pm:
Moriah ~ I dont understand why half of those people buy what they buy except for financial investment maybe? Even the people who have kids buy homes with town size floor plans, where do they find their kids in places like that. Someone once told me if you have to touch passing in the hall you won’t lose touch with your family! I agree, plus I hate wasting all money lost in heating something so big and am not fond of lost time spent cleaning monstrosity homes. ~ Ann
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Jay ~ So many questions so little time, and a cranky connection that threw away my last attempt at this.
#1 What is the width and length of the house? I am seeking a heating unit I once used (plug in baseboard heater with gel heater NOT metal coils or fire) and it depends on width and length of a room to determione size of heater. I’d like to put one downstairs in the livingroom (I’ll have a small ceramic heater in my room - 3rd bedroom - if I need it) and one upstairs in each bedroom.
#2 How tall is the second floor ceiling? I want to make a custom loft bed for my son and need to be sure I am not overwishing my wishlist. No head banging of the physical nature going on.
#3 Would it be “hard” to add a screened in covered porch on the back of the house? I want to enjoy evenings outdoors after the kids go to sleep and I won’t get eatten alive - I have tatsey skin according to all bugs I have met - lol.
#4 Electrician and plumber aside can “I get by with a little help from my friends” building this? I don’t have lots of money and with this home have found the possibility of finally owning my own home. I know the estimated building cost but I know someone I worked for did a lot of the interior work, including insulation and dry wall and they saved a lot so I am hoping I can do the equivilant with this home. (Yes I have done much restoration work in the past.)
#5 Finally what’s the possibility of building one of these beautiful small homes with reclaimed materials? I have always dreamed of getting wood for a downed barn or aging church and refashioning the wood into my home - not copying the outline of the old building just using it’s parts to build my dream home. Windows, faucets, fixtures, clawfoot tubs, doorknobs, wood, doors - you name it if it was once used (except electrical and plumbing) and is usable I want to give it new life. Can I do this with a B53.
Thanks for this house, I am very excited about my small family’s home owning future now!
~ Ann
PS Hope to be at the conference in DC this summer.
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ann reply on March 11th, 2009 6:05 pm:
Jay ~ Figured out link to get measurements - sorry about repetition - but what is size of optional 3rd (necessary in my case) bedroom on 1st level? Thanks ~ Ann
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Jay Shafer reply on March 13th, 2009 10:23 pm:
7′ x 12″.
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Jay Shafer reply on March 13th, 2009 10:23 pm:
Oops. I mean 7′ x 11′.
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Jay Shafer reply on March 13th, 2009 8:28 pm:
1) Just be sure the heater is 8′ or less, and you’ll be fine.
2) 7″ 6″.
3) It would be very east.
4) You can do it, Ann.
5) Why not.
Hope to see you in D.C.
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So, I’ve been looking at this design as a possibility for my family, but have been aching for a three bedroom model with all the bedrooms together (you know the whole family together thing). If you expand the footprint by two feet I think you can get three bedrooms and a full bath upstairs (Bath over the booth, two 9×8 bedrooms along the right side, and a larger L-shaped bedroom in the front (I extended the 2nd floor bump-out a bit to help the visual impact of the width increase). These are pretty major changes, I know. Would it be possible to get these changes with the purchase of plans or would I need to get them altered locally?
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Jay Shafer reply on March 14th, 2009 12:15 am:
Sounds like a lot of work for a lazy man like me. Do it locally, Michael (and send photos).
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love the design of this house. could be used for a family of 3 or 4 even. as for basement, there many parts of the country where a basement would be impractical. however in some areas a basement would be great as it could be used for the water tank, house electrics, plumbing, house heater, some storage, and possible hazardous weather space to hang out in if a tornado is in the area.
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when are you going to come to Australia?
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Jay Shafer reply on March 31st, 2009 12:57 pm:
Now there’s an idea. I love Australian residential architecture. I could make it a vacation/self-education/ workshop.
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Hi,
I love the look of the B-53 and all of your small houses, but there are no pictures of the interior. Will you be putting up a slide show for the B-53 or any of the other models in the future?
Take care,
Valora
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Jay Shafer reply on April 9th, 2009 4:46 pm:
As soon as they become available. I need to either photoshop them or get them from customers who have built the structures first.
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Yes Jay please post interior photographs of a B53!
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Jay Shafer reply on April 9th, 2009 4:58 pm:
As soon as I can.
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I have a few questions.
Intead of having the place of the third bedroom be 7 by 12, could it be 7 by 15 1/2 like the rest of the house?
And in that case, could half of it be an extention of the kitchen while the other half be a laundry room with a stackable washer/dryer and a litter box plus some storage?
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Jay Shafer reply on April 16th, 2009 9:40 am:
Sure thing.
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Wow, reading these postings now after doing some more research and planning has my head spinning.
A few questions … Is it possible (I’m thinking plumbing and electrical capabilities) to flip the kitchen and bathroom so the kitchen could have a breakfast bar with three or four stools on the livingroom side, and the booth could become a laundry room with stackable washer/dryer and rods for hanging wet items (why do I plan to buy a dryer I don’t know except for “emergencies” and big things like towels that take forever without some predrying assistance) plus maybe some storage shelves for the Christmas decorations (hope to use real trees with root ball to then plant in the yard every year like friends of mine do - whole tree line now that the kids are grown)? So flip bathroom and kitchen and switch out booth for laundry room.
Also is it possible (have not yet researched how to make yet) to make all bedroom doors pocket doors? I am a huge fan of limiting the space doors take up, especially since they are usually open. I think it appears the upstairs bathroom has a pocket door, is this correct? I am assuming this increases the wall thickness.
On the drawing of the “Master” bedroom (for my teenager in this case) there are two sections with thinner inner lines - is this just simply where the roof slopes so he can not stand up there? Does that occur at all in the back (2nd) beroom?
Teenager wants skylights (I saw someone asked about that earlier so I’ll look back for your answer on that) and I’d like to add windows to the right (as we look at the plans online) side of the house for passive solar … will that work do you think? (And downstairs flip my closets to other side of the house.)
Now back downstairs (I so see this coming together in my head, sorry to keep asking questions) someone somewhere suggested placing a kitty litter box in an attached porch bench with the kitty door under one of the front windows. I am not sure if I’ll get a cat just because I have a house (kids and I want another dog) but I LOVE the idea and wonder if you know anyone who successfully implemented that idea?
I have been measuring out the dimensions on the floor at home, under the back awning, at work on the floor and shopping IKEA and online sources along with trips to Lowes and I must again say THANK YOU! You have placed with in reach of most of us a way to live better and with the essentials but be able to take pride in our small manageable abodes.
I appreciate all the effort you put into this, the site and the movement.
~ Ann
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Jay Shafer reply on April 25th, 2009 7:31 pm:
1. Sure.
2. Pocket doors… good. And the walls need not be thicker.
3. Those are closets on the sides of the room.
4. Sure.
5. Not yet.
6. Thanks.
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Dear jay,
Wonderful site and house ideas. My fiancee really loves the craftsman style and your B-53 and Enesti homes are rgith up her alley.
I’m not sure if this is the place to post [or repost this], but I had an idea of a mini mansion. Then, anything at this point, as I board where I work, would be a mansion to me if I owned it.
My idea consists of having a roughly 900 to 100 square foot home with a great room, which really is just an open concept kitchen dining living room where the kitchen looks like a pub or small bar and a large loft [which is the master of course that has an attached bath] and small guest room, just large enough for a bed and small dresser or shelving unit, a small potty downstairs for visitors, a side turret that has two levels (the ground housing a small, well stocked library, and the upper having a glass domed, or glass paneled ceiling as an observatory or for star gazing… possibly growing indoor plants and edibles), and energy star appliances along with green and reclaimed materials and off grid point technologies.
I was weondering what you thought of the idea or if you had thought of it yourself as sort of THE last place you’d ever need to live.
Anyways, keep up the good work and I hope to see a little something new this coming year… a small garden house or garage. Though, I’m sure one of your tiny houses would do just fine
Thanks again for reading. Sincerely,
James Foley
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James In Kamiah, Idaho reply on April 24th, 2009 12:23 am:
Excuse me I meant 1000 square feet; not 100.
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Jay Shafer reply on April 25th, 2009 8:20 pm:
Sounds dreamy.
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James In Kamiah, Idaho reply on April 26th, 2009 8:33 pm:
Ah, but is it/would it still be considered a small or tiny house?
I’m 35 years old and just had my first child [little girl actually
] and I think a B-53 would be an excellent starter home.
Have you been able to gather any information from the new administration about financing? … As in, {I didn’t find any} any links to lenders who might be interested in funding the construction of your solid foundation homes? Have you considered opening up shop in New Orleans? Think of it (If you haven’t already) Rows of B-53’s lining the katrina ravaged streets…
Forgive me if you get this question a lot. The enesti would be great for that area too… especially around the college campuses. Or heck… TO the college campuses. A little marketing there would give fantastic exposure… or would you consider that OVER exposure?
James
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Jay Shafer reply on April 27th, 2009 11:16 am:
Every time I think of New Orleans I think of it with rows of my tiny houses.
how many houses do you build per year?
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Jay Shafer reply on May 8th, 2009 10:24 am:
Only a handful. We sell more than 40 times as many plans as houses.
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My wife and I are talking about moving onto a floating home. Your B53 is a style we truly love (we are in our second bungalow). Is the B53 a candidate a floating home?
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Jay Shafer reply on May 8th, 2009 10:20 am:
Sure. I’ve seen much bigger houses on the water.
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Are those baths or just showers?
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Nevo M reply on May 11th, 2009 7:23 pm:
In addition to that, has anyone heard of people taking down an old house peice by peice, and using the parts to make a new house? By the way, I think I am one of the last males in history who enjoys taking baths…
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Jay Shafer reply on May 16th, 2009 11:52 am:
Bath/showers in all but the mobile houses.
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And another thing. Specifically for the larger houses, how much are the materials per square foot
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Jay Shafer reply on May 16th, 2009 12:22 pm:
That’s actually pretty hard to determine for such small houses with so many variables from one site to the next. I can tell you that the smaller the house, the more it costs per square foot, though. See my entry “The cost of Frugality” at the blog link on this site.
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Jay,
What would you think of removing the downstairs bathroom entirely and using that space to extend the kitchen. Two bathrooms for a house this small seems like more than I would need, and I don’t mind going upstairs if I have to. Taking out the downstairs bathroom seems like it would accomplish two things: 1, making the kitchen bigger (I cook a lot), and 2, making the first floor into more of a single big open room, giving it a more expansive feel (I like connected kitchens and living spaces). Is there any reason why this wouldn’t work?
Thanks.
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Jay Shafer reply on May 16th, 2009 12:26 pm:
I think that’s a great idea.
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Hi Jay,
I live in Moscow, Russia. Your homes are tremendous. When I order plans for the B-53, is it possible for you to convert all plan measurements to metric? If yes, what would be the charge? Thank you. Peter
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Jay Shafer reply on May 17th, 2009 12:39 pm:
Yes. No charge, Peter.
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Peter Necarsulmer reply on May 21st, 2009 10:57 pm:
Thanks very much Jay. I was so excited that I already ordered and just received the plans with standard scaling. Any chance to get a set with metric? Peter
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Sandra Walker reply on May 22nd, 2009 8:10 am:
Hello Peter!
To save yourself a bunch of time waiting maybe you could try this website: http://www.convert-me.com where you can convert all your measurements yourself. Just a thought that this may help you. Good luck with your build and send pictures if you can.
Jay Shafer reply on May 22nd, 2009 10:57 am:
I think so. Send us an email. That will go straight to Steve. He’s “the decider” on such issues.
We start digging in two weeks — finally (I think I last wrote a few months ago so it’s been a long process)
Changes we’ve made (with no disrespect to your plans — we want to be in this home for the next 40 years, so have tweaked it to make room for children/guests etc.) include:
* adding a basement (spare bedroom/laundry/family room),
* extending the third bedroom up, to make for a larger master bedroom/washroom
* we’re going to use the third bedroom as a den, and have french doors opening out the back of that to the backyard
* opening up the main floor by taking some of the walls away from the stairs — from the front room, and the booth, and making the back wall on the booth a half wall, opening into the den
It’s the same plans, just with some personalized touches. If you’re still keen on pictures, it should be done by September, so we’ll be sure to send them to you! Thanks so much!
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Jay Shafer reply on May 17th, 2009 12:37 pm:
I can’t wait.
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BJ reply on November 4th, 2009 12:03 am:
We are looking forward to the house photos!
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We would like to build the B-53 but need it oriented the long way on our lot rather than the shorter end facing the street. Would it be possible to get plans with the B-53 facade but oriented the long way like the Sabastarosa?
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Jay Shafer reply on May 29th, 2009 7:13 am:
I think that would be a job for another architect, as it might take some time, and I don’t have much right now.
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I wish you had small ranch designs. The Z-Glass is the only one I see that is a ranch and I live in an area with very snowy winters - that flat roof would not stand a chance. But going up and down stairs is not my thing… a loft I can see for storage space, but again - some ranch options would be nice. Thanks!
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That closet-y looking thing off to the left of the kitchen, is it actually a closet? If it is, is it big enough to be modified into a table with bench sort of situation?
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Jay Shafer reply on June 14th, 2009 5:04 am:
It is, in fact, a table with benches.
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Jay, what are the size requirements on each room? Because it seems like you could just take out the second bathroom upstairs and put in another bedroom if you made all the other bedrooms smaller.
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Jay Shafer reply on June 23rd, 2009 12:30 pm:
The other BRs just barely meet minimum size standards as it is (not to say it wouldn’t be a great idea otherwise).
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I’m comparing the floorplans of the B-53 [http://www.flickr.com/photos/13664360@N08/3423109744] and the Whidbey [http://www.flickr.com/photos/13664360@N08/3423109946] and I have some questions about combining them, please?
I’m not necessarily asking if Tumbleweed would be willing to design plans with all these changes, just if, in your opinion, they would be do-able.
I’m guessing there would be no problem with flipping just the porch and the front bedroom on the Whidbey, to put the porch on the same side of the house as the half bath?
And is the wall between that bedroom and the main room a load-bearing wall, or could it be left out?
Could the front of the Whidbey be used with the back of the B-53, so as to put a half-bath downstairs? Or would it be easier to use the Whidbey plans, and replace the tub with a sink?
Finally, if the built-in table and benches were not installed in the eating area, could the window on that back wall be “turned into” the doorway into the additional room, so the kitchen layout could be left the same as it is for the house without the additional room?
Thanks so much! I’m really enjoying thinking about having a house just big enough for one — Joan C.
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Jay Shafer reply on June 23rd, 2009 12:38 pm:
1) Flipping’s no problem
2) One could easily cut the non-structural wall.
3) You could cross the two plans.
4) Great idea.
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Joan Carlson reply on June 23rd, 2009 2:06 pm:
Dear Jay — thanks for being so willing to share your designs, and let others customize them as they want/need/whatever.
Now I have one more question — I know your FAQs say you won’t create the plans for putting a bathtub on the lower level of a design that doesn’t have one, so I’m not asking if you would do the plans. But if I may ask, please? if you think it would be do-able to eliminate the tub in the upstairs bath of the B-53, and “re-route” that plumbing to put a tub or shower on the lower level?
Thanks again, Joan C.
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Jay Shafer reply on June 24th, 2009 11:36 am:
That sounds easy enough.
Jay, thanks for the information. I thought it could be done, but …
– and another thought re: property values and the legality of tiny houses — if the locals are so all-fired up about their property values, why don’t they mandate buildings which are at least so many $$ per square foot? instead of houses of so many square feet? or do an either/or — if your primary dwelling is less than so many square feet, you have to have paid so much per square foot for the *materials* (not the labor).
Sheesh.
Back to lurking — Joan C.
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Jay Shafer reply on June 25th, 2009 3:17 pm:
Exactly!
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[...] Tumbleweed Houses (shown above). To think, our house is just a hair bigger than the largest “small house” that they [...]
Dear Jay,
I’m looking to build in the next two to three years, and have narrowed my search down to this house. I do have a few questions.
1. As I read the floorplan, it is possible to build this over a basement foundation - isn’t it? I ask as I’ll be using composting toilets and will need a place to put the tank.
2. I was thinking of optional third bedroom as a dining area/passive solar room. The plot I plan to build on would have that facing true south - perfect for catching and using winter sunshine in an alpine climate. Is it possible to make the booth and benches into a pantry/mud room? What are the dimensions for that area?
That said, I love the houses!
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Jay Shafer reply on July 5th, 2009 12:06 pm:
1) Yes. You could put the basement stairs below the main stairs or under an outdoor cellar door.
2) It’s about 5′ x 5′, perfect for a small mud room.
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I absolutely adore this house (B-53)..I am SO drawn to it! Would you mind to tell me what colors are used on this exterior? I Love love love it!!
Thanks for your time!
Tarah
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Jay Shafer reply on July 17th, 2009 11:00 am:
I wish I could tell you the real name. I mixed it myself, and hereby call it Smootytissen Yellow, but that will mean nothing to your local paint supplier. Just show them the picture and tell them you want something like it.
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Jay, any idea what issues might be involved if you wanted to replace the propane heating with something like a wood pellet stove?
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Jay Shafer reply on August 2nd, 2009 10:05 am:
Just make sure it’s something you can control. Wood, for example, might be hard to control in such a small space.
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Of all the models and floor plans, this would be the one that I think would be easiest for progressively downsizing, and the 3rd bedroom would be a must. I think it would be very comfortable.
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Tarah - check out the houses at Pigeon Key in Florida - they are all painted almost the exact same color - they call it “Flagler Yellow” after Henry Flagler who build the house on the tiny island when it was used as a construction camp for the over seas highway.
The island visitor’s staff is very helpful and friendly (it is a marine research center now) and they might be able to tell you where they purchase the paint and the exact color. I vaguely remember mention of a local big-box store…
Here is photo I dug up on flickr
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3646/3507664304_6349256d44.jpg?v=0
As a visual artist who is married to a musician I think the 3 Br B53 would be ideal. The third bedroom would make an art studio and the 2nd upstairs would be a music room!
I would convert the eat-in booth in the kitchen to have more prep space and put the wash/dry in the kitchen with an exit to outside so one can use the ’solar dryer’.
I really like these tiny houses. I was living in a 1952 masonry construction house in Florida that was about 760 sq ft. I had no idea my house was TINY! It was a delightful two bedroom with an eat in kitchen and one bath. Laundry was in the garage.
Jay - this is excellent that you are creating these wonderful spaces in a time when McMansions seems to be eating up the land and soul of many cities! Thank you for your vision!
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Jay Shafer reply on August 2nd, 2009 9:37 am:
Thanks, Dara.
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I too very much like the B-53, but it was still too limiting for the kind of kitchen I wanted, and didn’t allow for an office or bedroom large enough to not feel claustrophobic. I used Jay’s B-53 as a very basic starting point and had an architect create a place for me with a much more usable kitchen, bedroom and office (see website link). I also had it put over a full basement. It’s still a relatively small house (1,300 sq ft) but doesn’t feel like a place where I’ve had to make major compromises or concessions. In the long run, it pays to hire an architect to design a place specifically to fit your own needs.
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In case you didn’t figure out the website link was attached to my name in the previous post, here it is:
http://www.orchardman.com
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jay, i have my eye on a trailer, which i’m being told by the current owner is rated for 6300 lbs. it’s a 20′, and i was planning on the fencl, which of course would weight a bit more if it’s 2 feet longer. he’s worried the trailer will be “maxed out” all the time and i should maybe seek something rated for more weight. what do you think?
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Jay Shafer reply on August 2nd, 2009 9:30 am:
I think it would be best to buy one with two 5000 pound axles.
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How large is the closet off the second bedroom? Could it be opened up as part of the room?
Thanks.
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Jay Shafer reply on August 4th, 2009 10:19 am:
It’s about 5′x6′, and it could be opened up.
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We really like these small houses and are interested in building the ernesti or B-53. The lot is on a lake and we like to be outdoors, but there are alot of mosquitoes. Could the extra bedroom be converted to a screen porch?
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Jay Shafer reply on August 22nd, 2009 12:14 pm:
Great idea.
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Jay:
I’m seriously considering buying your plans and building a B-53 as a guest house here in Midcoast, Maine. I’ve got a question about adding a solar PV system. I would have no problems orienting the house so that the back faces perfect Solar South, but pitch of the roof on the back of the B-53 is much flatter than I’d need to take full advantage of the potential output of a solar PV system. It ideally should be at around 45-degrees where I live requiring the pitch of the roof to be increased to 12/12 (for aesthetic reasons, I’d much rather have the PV panels flush with the roof than angled up on some kind of frame.) I understand raising the peak of the house by 3 to 4 feet would noticeably affect the lines of the structure you designed, but I wanted to see whether you felt it was doable and to hear what other potential headaches would be created by making this modification. I would be keeping every other aspect of your design as is, aside from adding a back door to the alternate 3rd bedroom (which would end up being a mudroom/laundry/pantry.)
Thanks, Jay . . .
John
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Jay Shafer reply on September 4th, 2009 10:42 am:
Increasing the pitch would pose no structural problems. You could also increase only the back part by moving the ridge line back.
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Jay,
Your houses are incredible! I have ordered 2 copies of your book - one to carry with me in my backpack for inspiration, and another for my permanent bookshelf, in case your book ever goes out of print!
I live in Central Illinois. Are there any Tumbleweed Houses near me? I am roughly the same distance from Chicago/St. Louis/Indianapolis.
Also, didn’t I read somewhere that you recently became married (or will be getting married?)? If so, what type of house/what design style are/will you and your wife living/be living in?
Thanks for inspiring all of us here to reduce….live with less….live simply….live deliberately.
Your fan here in the cornfields!
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Jay Shafer reply on September 4th, 2009 11:14 am:
Well color me crimson! I am flattered.
I’m glad you asked about the marriage thing, as this allows me to describe some tiny cohabitation options. If I had my dithers we would each have a Tumbleweed on wheels plus a third for both of us plus our baby due in November (the plot thickens). A “his”, “hers” and “ours” compound on wheels, with each house painted a different saturate color with winding pedestrian paths to connect everything has been on my mind for a long time.
But it turns out that one cannot always have everything entirely ones’ own way when in relationship, so we’ve come to a nice compromise of my 100 sf. house parked next to a 500 sf. house we bought in Graton, CA. The property even came with a 800 sf.-ish house that we will be renting out to cover the mortgage.
Going from occupying less than 100 sf. for more than a decade to co-owning more than 1400 in a day might feel like quite a leap, but I still spend most of my time in my original Tumbleweed and manage to forget about the larger rental almost completely. I figure I’ll continue inhabiting about 100 sf. of the total, my wife will consume about 200 and the baby can have the remaining 300 (of course it’s not like we really draw lines or anything… at least not yet ).
Another, more practical, solution for most would simply be to live in a small, well-designed, three bedroom house. I’d be up for that too (my Bodega with an additional bedroom on each side and a wrap-around porch comes to mind), but we couldn’t afford not to buy this extra affordable property.
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Hi,
I love your houses and am interested in building one of the small houses in a cold climate in Alaska. Has this been done before? Can the houses be redesigned to compensate for more insulation? It would need to withstand -60 F at times. Also would need some sort of air exchange system, which could be passive (a hole on each end of the house), or more a more elaborate electric system.
Thanks,
D
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Jay Shafer reply on September 4th, 2009 11:34 am:
It would be a good fit, though you might want to beef up the rafters a little just to increase the space for supplementary insulation.
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We live in interior Alaska which means we have extremely cold winters with temperatures reaching -50 Fahrenheit on occasion. Have your stationary homes been built in Alaska and are the plans for 2*4 or 2*6 framing?
Thanks,
Becky
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Jay Shafer reply on September 7th, 2009 12:06 pm:
The houses work very well in very cold climates as they are so easy and cheap to heat. If you wanted to beef up the 2×4 studs and 2×8 rafters you could easily increase the insulation even more.
Jay
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Hi Jay,
Just wondering, how wide are the stairs in the B - 53 and the Enesti? Also, is the Whidbey a bigger version of the Harbinger? Can the 2nd floor of the Whidbey accomodate plans for 2 bedrooms and a small full bath, something like what the B-53 has on its 2nd floor?
My mum and I love your house designs! thanks for taking the time.
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Jay Shafer reply on September 29th, 2009 1:57 pm:
1) 3′.
2) It is a bigger Harbinger, but there’s not enough room up there to fit 2 BR and still meet US code.
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Karen reply on September 29th, 2009 9:26 pm:
thanks Jay!
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Is there any reason you couldn’t change the downstairs bathroom into a laundry room? (on the B-53)
Thanks!
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elementsofmylife reply on October 12th, 2009 1:06 pm:
I’ve had a similar thought too. I figure it’s possible to make the dining nook into a bath with laundry although that decreases water heating efficiency since the upstairs bath is then far away. The other part of my mental idea of the house has a side door, coat closet and part of the dining area where the main floor bathroom is on the plans Jay drew up. I think that’s my dream house in a nutshell!
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Jay Shafer reply on October 20th, 2009 6:54 pm:
I see no reason at all.
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Hi Jay,
Please clarify for me: The B53 “plans are on sale until Dec 31st”. Meaning, you will be discontinuing this model after Dec 31st? Or, meaning that the plans are being sold at a discount?
If plans are being discontinued, why?
Anne
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Jay Shafer reply on November 4th, 2009 10:38 pm:
The discount is my genius business minded business partner’s idea. He claims these “sales sell”. He has saved my financial life and that of this company. I ask no questions. He is my second master, Mammon, (and my good friend, Steve).
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Is $695 the sale price? If so what is the regular price of the plans?
Also, these plans have been out for almost a year now. Has nobody built one and sent it pictures yet? I have a hard time visualizing things, and some pictures would help a great deal. Have you though of doing some virtual walk throughs or even just computer created pics of the interior so we can get a better idea of how everything flows. I’m having a hard time visualizing the bedrooms with the shelves and gabled roof.
Thanks,
Eric
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Jay Shafer reply on November 17th, 2009 7:47 pm:
That’s the standard price.
Yeah. I need to work up some virtual stuff ASAP. I look forward to it as much as anyone.
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eric reply on November 18th, 2009 5:33 pm:
Thanks Jay.
If $695 is the standard price, what is the sale price?
Eric
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Jay,
I have a question about the B53….What is the size of the closet area of the second bedroom? I was thinking that you could actually put the closets on the opposite wall as in the bigger bedroom and then build a platform in the closet area and install a 3/4 size mattress for sleeping and then you would have more floor space to use for maybe a massage room/bedroom…. Planning on a move from the east coast to the Sebastopol area in the next year or so…. I know that you’ve looked at all the zoning etc in Sonoma County…. Do you know if I could build a house this small on land that I already own there? The existing house on that property may be in too bad shape to salvage….. OK it was more than one question….. Thanks for your input..
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